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Late last year the bulk of the regular editors of this wiki decided to move from Wikia and focus their efforts on a wiki under their complete control (pathfinderwiki.com). Since that time, this wiki has seen a steep decline in activity and is increasingly out of date. The Pathfinder campaign setting is growing by tens of thousands of words every month, both in depth and breadth. Because of this I think it's important that there be a single, clear location for the minimal information that we do manage to get into a wiki. Right now, that's pathfinderwiki.com. So what happens to this wiki? It continues to go stale. The greater Pathfinder community continues to visit periodically and finds it lacking. They get discouraged and never look back.

To combat this, I propose that this wiki should change it's focus to a smaller subset of Pathfinder related information. Crunch is already well covered by the folks at www.d20pfsrd.com. Canonical fluff is covered as best as it can be at pathfinderwiki.com. What isn't covered is non-canon stuff. Apocrypha like the the old Compleat Encounters, clearly related but unlicensed products like Darkness Without Form, sweepings from the cutting-room floor, and the heroic efforts of Ostog the Unslain. Old content could be retained, but with a warning that it is no longer being updated and perhaps a link to pathfinderwiki.com.

The fact is that Golariopedia and PathfinderWiki are going to have to co-exist. The only decision is about how troubled the relationship is. I think my proposal allows Wikia to keep the pages here which allows them to continue to sell their ads and pay their bills. It also allows for the greater Pathfinder community to find what they want and at the same time, provides a home for content that we've decided in the past to not consider or remove.

Aeakett 16:39, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
They don't "have to" co-exist. There's no reason to keep this outdated wiki. Chuck it.
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Wikia is unlikely to allow anybody to mass-delete from a 4k page wiki. The fact is that ultimately Wikia controls the platform that this wiki lives on, and that means that they are going to protect each one of those pages to ensure that it exists to attract search engine traffic and impress an ad. Clearly, PathfinderWiki would like to avoid the confusion and get rid of this wiki, but that isn't going to happen.
Aeakett 19:27, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
I am just someone passing through. I have found some content on these pages that isn't on the other site. Just saying.
71.235.74.233 12:46, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be useful if this wiki contained only articles about the "extra", and "non-canon".

The fact that wikia does not allow wiki deletions sucks. So I propose a policy: To every article created (on non canon stuff) delete 2 (from a "to delete" list). I dont know if the software will allow changing the edit page to inform users of such a policy. Anyway, at least the articles should be deletable, so that we can bring the useless part of the wiki down, little by little

Josinalvo 19:27, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
To anon above, there are orders of magnitude more exclusive info on the active project than there is exclusively here. So that argument doesn't really say anything. If you see content here that's not on the other project, why not add it to the active site?

As to the proposal by Josinalvo, unfortunately only admins can actually delete pages, and Wikia has come down hard on sysops actively removing content from their projects, removing their privileges and sometimes outright banning them from Wikia as a whole. I, for one, would rather see existing pages here repurposed than simply be deleted. As long as the forked project's purpose is clear and there are links to the active canon project clear of wikia, I don't see this site as a threat.

Yoda8myhead 00:36, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. With regard to above suggestions, can this site be used to collect information from non-canonical sources like Wayfinder? Things like biographies of characters who pop up in the long-running stories there (such as the Greenhorns) and so forth? Then, if something ever moves out of the realms of fan fiction into canon, there's at least a reference for whomever writes the new canon article to work from.
Charles Evans 25 14:11, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Charles, I would say yes. I didn't mention fan works in my initial post since I felt it could be a slippery slope. Wayfinder though, is A-grade source of non-canon Pathfinder material that should and could be captured here.

The real issue is one of time and effort. As it is, Pathfinderwiki.com is an enormous project that takes an equal amount of effort. That means that it is unlikely that any of the topics discussed here will be implemented until somebody steps up and takes the responsibility. The old admin crew will still keeps an eye here for blatant vandalism and so-forth, but the bulk of our efforts are directed elsewhere. So... who will volunteer?

Aeakett 19:08, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I would, but I don't spend enough time as is on pathfinderwiki.com. Paizo, stop publishing so many campaign setting books!
BrandingOpportunity 09:07, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Hello all. I'm truly glad to hear you are actively discussing the future of this wiki. Change is an inevitable part of a wiki and expanding or contracting the scope of a wiki is always a good thing to consider and examine.

Before you proceed, though, I do need to make you aware of some things.

It is not acceptable to diminish this wiki in favour of a fork. You are welcome to add to content to broaden its scope beyond being just canon, it's not acceptable to remove valid articles. The original purpose of this wiki was canon and users submitted work to this wiki with the expectation that their work wouldn’t be simply deleted because other users feel it doesn’t fit into the new scope of a wiki.

It’s your right, of course, to determine if you want to help maintain the canon. But it is not right to remove canon content in order to (let's be frank here) prevent it competing with a fork. If you want a non-complete non-canon wiki, you are welcome to create one, this wiki is not it.

We have assumed and will assume good faith here, but essentially you can not leave a community and come back to completely change it in order to benefit your new situation. It would be the equivalent of leaving the state of New York to live in California but still insisting on voting in New York elections and bonds. --daNASCAT WikiaStaff.png 17:09, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
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